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Medicare does not max out and 1.45% is with held to an unlimited amount.
I believe we should convert Social Security to an annuity plan with the interest rate of short term Treasury bills.
Only contributors would be eligible for benefits and not immigrants that claim to be impoverished .This is sadly where much of our money goes.Many of these recipients hide their assets and steal our benefits.
The annuity should pay out on a schedule that will assure that most contributors would recover most of their contributions. Possibly a 25 year payout. Any residual amount would be kept as a reserve for those who survive longer than 25 years from age 67.
Also,putting Social Security and Medicare into the same bucket as all the handout programs is really dumb.We taxpayers pay for SS and Medicare and the Government repays us these contributions when we retire. Yes, the way the governent pays out more than a taxpayer contributes to the poorer recipients is an entitlement but that is payed by the wealthy taxpayers through their ceiling-less contributions. Social Security needs to fix this and make itself an annuity plan that pays out with interest what each of us pays in and nothing more.
Most new jobs in Texas and here in Arizona are minimum wage keeping people poor and in need of help. Stop letting companies pay nothing.
in your high school history book? Workers were exploited and business owners lived like kings. That was why unions were started in the first place. The unions gave us a 40 hour work week, overtime, safer conditions in factories, and an end to child labor. Why have we forgotton this? Reagan and the right-wing Republicans have been gutting unions for 40 years, and this is the result. Welcome to the new age of robber barons.
What Social Security has done during the great recession of 2007-12 is maintain a minimum level of spending on the part of the elderly, which has meant that our economy has not collapsed the way it did during the great depression of the 1930's. Yes unemployment has risen to 10%, but now it is under 8.5%. During the 1930's, with the same Wall Street bubble burst, 25% of all workers and 37% of all nonfarm workers were unemployed.
In other words, Social Security is a safety net for the U.S. economy. I collect Social Security retirement benefits. I have added up all my contributions -- and those of my employers -- and I figure my return on the money at a little over 4%. You may consider it an entitlement, but it is a program to maintain consumer spending at a time of economic chaos.
Medicare works in a similar way for the healthcare industry. While the Medicare reimbursement rates for hospitals and physicians seem low, they are considerably greater than what would be received were there no Medicare -- unless hospitals and physicians were to deny care to those who can't pay. In other words, stingy as Medicare is, it funds a large part of the healthcare industry in this country.
The Democrats are failing the country by not emphasizing to the public the benefits to the economy and to the healthcare system afforded by these programs.
Here's why not: for every dollar businesses pay in taxes, they spend 30 cents on compliance and efforst to legally evade tax codes. Money is then wasted in administration of these programs, which are susceptible to fraud and loopholes that create perverse incentives.
Government can provide things that we cannot--like a safety net. However, this article shows that since '79, we have strayed from that goal. Fewer tax dollars make it to the needy and entitlement programs now constitute a larger fraction of our economy. Worse, the tax code has become less progressive.
Increasing aggregate demand could theoretically stimulate a bad economy, but our current situation has been evidence to the contrary (http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs.... Democrats and republicans agree that cutting the payroll taxes, which fund social security, would improve unemployment.
Someday government will be smart enough enough to eliminate tax loopholes, avoid political standoffs and shutdowns, forecast the economy, and protect us from all sources of harm and misfortune, but not now.
What about things like Pell grants, university education at state schools, mortgage interest deduction, are those government benefits? I'd say yes if you are counting SS as a benefit.
What about the fact that Mitt Romney pays taxes at a much lower rate than I do? Is that a government benefit? I'd say yes, clearly the IRS treats Mitt's earned income as special since its taxed at a much lower rate? What about corporate tax rebates such that GE pays nothing in taxes from year to year, I'd call that a government benefit too.
So far, with his two cancer surgeries and month-long stay at the hospital to recover, he's gotten back around $2 million in health care. That's a whopping 28 times what he paid in.
Who made up the difference between what Dad paid in and what he's gotten so far? You and me, the taxpayer.
Call it an 'entitlement'....call it a 'pension benefit'...call it whatever you want. The reality is that folks like my dad, who get back from Medicare much, much more than they ever paid in, are what's driving the deficit to the stratosphere.
Looking ONLY at their contributions alone, and NOT at the interest that would have accumulated over half a century is grossly unfair.
There is no way to put enough money aside (without interest) when there is constant inflation and higher costs -- it would require "savings" or contributing twice your actual income. Only INTEREST over time can equalize payments vs. inflation.
What will happen in the future if we have significant DEflation is not clear.
Of course, that is narrowly conceived as meaning only income taxes.
Others have rightly mentioned those who make too little to have a taxable income, but who pay into Social Security and Medicare.
Another large group, I believe about half of those not paying taxes, are those who are retired, living off Social Security and savings, and who paid taxes their entire working life (usually about 50 years.)
Then, of course, there are those other lazy bums, orphan children.
There is another group: People who really should be called out for their lack of contribution to the general good of the country, and who do not pay taxes; The members of the 1% who get all their income in forms, or countries, which allow them to not pay their due. I know one whose best "taxable income" over the last decade was $-650,000.00. A lot of this was done in real estate. Don't cry for him, He could lay hands on the odd million or two for the right (and I do mean Right) candidate easier than some in the other categories could come up with money for a square meal.
The first time I ever heard of this was in college, when a friend admitted that since her father's death a few years earlier (he was elderly and had her late in life), she was getting a significant amount of money -- hundreds of dollars -- in "orphan's benefits". And this despite the fact her father left a substantial estate, and that she and her mother were quite wealthy and lived in the best neighborhood. She used the extra cash to buy clothes and makeup and pay for vacations, eating out, etc.
I do not believe that is the intention of "orphan's benefits" and they SHOULD BE means tested.
Stats clearly show that SSDI enrollment has exploded over the past 15-20 years, and even more so in the last 4 years of economic collapse -- why? because if your unemployment runs out (or you just don't like to work), it is a generous "forever" income that you can't be fired from or lose. And once you are declared "disabled", you get everything from food stamps, to free health care, free phones, free bus passes, subsidized housing and so forth.
Now -- obviously I support SSDI for the truly disabled....the quadriplegic, the person in an iron lung, the blind, the severely mentally ill.
But that's not what we have. What we have is a system that rewards people with bogus complaints -- vague, unprovable claims of things like "chronic fatigue" or "fibromyalgia"....vague, unprovable conditions like "social anxiety syndrome" or "mild chronic depression".
This is a scandal that undermines the security of our safety net. All recipients of SSDI should be examined on a regular basis, with strict standards and if they are not seriously ill or disabled, their benefits should be terminated immediately.
Just listing all the parties who get these handouts, tax breaks, incentives, and actual rebates after paying no taxes (think GE) would have an effect similar to the casual drenching with pepper spray of peacefully sitting Occupy Wall Street protestors...
That study might really shine a light on the city on the hill...
The truth is that all government programs that take care of fundamental risks such as poor health, old age, unemployment etc. are part of the social safety net. Why do people choose to deny this? They want to have it both ways. What 'I' get is never welfare, but earned. What 'they' get is welfare, and not worth my tax dollars. Substitute 'blacks', 'minorities' or any demographic group that is the building block of a particular brand of bigotry.
Government programs are valuable, for most of us. It is time to overcome prejudice, and pay up the taxes that makes this possible. For all of us.
Social security for all but the first recipients is a mandatory retirement savings program.
If the article focused on true welfare costs it would be clear that Blacks and Hispanics receive more benefits than their percentage of the population. Illegitimacy rates amongst these groups dropped for a time after the 1996 welfare reform. Since then, however, the numbers have skyrocketed. Seehttp://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2006/dec/01/20061201-084845-1917r/
According to the Institute for American Values, 38 percent of all American children are born illegitimate, and illegitimacy rates have doubled since 1975. The cost to taxpayers is $112 billion annually for anti-poverty, criminal justice, education programs, and lost tax revenue.
What you call bigotry and prejudice is simply your great fear of being deemed politically incorrect.
It is as different as a toll for a bridge and gasoline tax.
Likewise, health insurance is not considered social safety net in most countries - even in the United States, health insurance such as Medicaid and Medicare are not exactly part of the social safety net.
The social safety net consists of monetary and in-kind payments to those unable to economically provide for themselves.
I don't mean to say that the fact that the United States has a pension scheme and universal health insurance for the elderly but not (yet) universal health insurance for the rest of the population nor much real social safety net does not bring up issues of fairness. But, Appelbaum and Gebeloff are mixing up categories here, making for a poor-quality analysis of the relevant issues.
Assuming average life expectancy in retirement, lower-paid workers receive more money than they contributed to the system while higher-paid workers receive less than they contributed.
I'm not necessarily saying the current structure is fair or appropriate, I just want to ensure the facts are understood.
After you qualify for SSDI -- relatively easy to do, as many doctors are corrupt and will fill out any paperwork you request -- you are home free. They never check back, or demand you prove you are still sick or disabled! So you can "qualify" at age 18, and then collect a big check for 60 years with NO requirement you show you are still ill -- and remember, the check is just part of it. You get free health care, subsidized housing, free phones, free bus passes, and hundreds of dollars in food stamps! Probably more than half the people currently on SSDI are not really seriously ill or handicapped, and are bilking the system.
Thirty years ago the clear majority of households had workers, pubilc and private, with defined benefit pensions and employers overwhelmingly provided health insurance. Today, absent union "coercion," under 30% of private employers of people with high school diplomas provide health care, and no one gets a pension. Why? Someone's had to pay for the shift in income upwards.
This, somehow, is the fault of public employees?
Holding their own, that's a crime?
By the way, the pension 'boondoggle,' it precedes public employee unionization. And it should be changed, in several ways. But not by people who think that transfers of 15% to 1% are affordable while others holding their own are not.
just because the private employees of this country have gotten scr*wed by the loss of benefits over the past 30 years does not mean that the public employee pensions are wrong. if so, one could then argue that any worker, or for that matter, management, should not get more than the lowest paid person in the world at their job! and for the record, I am not a public employee, have no public pensions, etc.. But these arguments inevitably lead to the concept that any worker making more than a laborer in the far east is committing a crime against humanity. The american worker , public or private, has clearly had their wealth distributed from the middle class to the "wealthy". That is the "crime" , not some mailmans or teachers pension!
The private employee has no such sway with company management. Also, the public employee CANNOT have his/her job outsourced to China or India, while the private employee....well, we all know the end to that story, don't we?
The circumstances are not equal. Public employees should NOT have the right to unionize. They have abused this right for decades. Their unions are entirely corrupt.
Many economists believe that only consumption can be taxed. Any taxes placed on business and producers are passed on to consumers. Because the rich get the bulk of their income from business, directly or indirectly, then they are able to pass on any taxes they have to pay to their customers.
This is why middle-income people who vote to cut taxes on the rich are not really voting against their own interest. They know in a low-tax economy, their money will go farther.
Medicare has no means testing and therefore anyone regardless of income will receive the same benefit, but again if it becomes means tested it essentially becomes a State subsidy for lower income individuals and can than be more easily classified as a welfare program.
Considering that close to 50% of citizens pay no Federal tax, I expect that would add an interesting dimension to the analysis.
For comparison: The top 5 percent of Americans accounted for 37.4 percent of all wages in 2007. But they paid 60.6 percent of the country's total reported income taxes.
But I am sure that was just a simple oversight on your part??
~ To what extent can truth endure incorporation? That is the question; that is the experiment. The Gay Science
On the other hand, activities funded by personal income and other taxes, have been in deficit for all but one of the past 40 years, with the gap increasing sharply since 2001.
As personal income tax rates were reduced, payroll tax rates were increased to the point that they were essentially equal as sources of Federal revenue in 2010.
The above can verified at www.budget.gov, Historical Tables
Simpson-Bowles demonstrated that Social Security can be kept viable for at least another 75 years with incremental changes over time. Medicare requires more serious change, which, if done right, could provide better care at less cost.
These are discussions that are needed, but difficult to have because we are so unaccustomed to dealing honestly with one another.
It is a most important piece of de-bunking, which we hope all Democrats and progressives use to good advantage over and over and over in Congress, on talk shows and in debates this year.
It serves to show the voters who we are instead of the (now) provable demagoguery polluting our dialogue.
The net percentage of what group receives the highest percentage of of federally allocated "safety net" dollars is more informative than per capita distribution.
The whole point of Social Security and Medicare was to prevent the eldery from dying destitute in the streets or leaving their offspring in perpetual servitude. These programs served brilliantly to end both.
The whole reason for NOT eliminating these programs is that people routinely make very bad choices, spending their monies down to zero prior to the times that they need the savings most. These programs are, in theory, one of forced savings for future needs.
The U.S. would look like a Dickensian horror show, especially during the retirement decades of the baby boomers, if it weren't for these programs.
Anyone arguing for the alternatives needs to wake up to these realities, but, probably, they're mostly Scrooges anyway and simply don't care.
The real question is whether we are using the debt to invest wisely in our future or not.
For example, If you borrow $1 million to purchase a million dollar factory, the fact that you have incurred a debt isn't bad so long as the factory is productive. In fact, if your product is in demand, then the more you borrow, the more profit you make, right? That's the purpose of investment. On the other hand, if you are frugal and simply stick your money under the mattress, it will inevitably decrease in value over time. The national economy works that way as well. If we invest the fruits of our labor well, we can profit and lead to an increase in the standard of living. But if we tear up our safety net for the sake of incurring no debt, we will find our infrastructure slowly decaying, our people becoming less healthy and less educated, and America slipping further and further behind nations that look out for their citizens.
The right wing blames the poor people and the old people and the children when it is their policies, lack of concern for citizens, dedication to war on every dispute that has put us where we are.
There is no comparison between a capital investment in a productive factory and Medicare. Most Medicare dollars goes to people who by and large aren't working and won't ever again; 20% goes to people who die within one year. It's just a transfer, it has nothing to add to national wealth or productivity.
And you miss the point, which is not should there be a safety net for poor, elderly, disabled, but should the bulk of the population be net subsidy receivers. An economy can't last on that basis.